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		<title>By: Matt Jabs</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-22245</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 01:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your point is so general it isn&#039;t helpful. Yes, some investments are currently paying poor returns but others are paying well... you just have to know where to invest in all markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your point is so general it isn&#8217;t helpful. Yes, some investments are currently paying poor returns but others are paying well&#8230; you just have to know where to invest in all markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-22244</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 01:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the idea in this article is sound it doesn&#039;t hold true due to the poor return on investment these days. Perhaps 30 years ago this was possible but today your lucky if you get 1% return on your savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the idea in this article is sound it doesn&#8217;t hold true due to the poor return on investment these days. Perhaps 30 years ago this was possible but today your lucky if you get 1% return on your savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-18737</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 21:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes longer than most people want. But patient pays off...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes longer than most people want. But patient pays off&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Should I Get Out of the Stock Market?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should I Get Out of the Stock Market?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I generally teach young couples to start saving for retirement as soon as they can in order to make compound interest work for them.  The key is to be slow, steady and consistent.  Let&#8217;s pretend this couple [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I generally teach young couples to start saving for retirement as soon as they can in order to make compound interest work for them.  The key is to be slow, steady and consistent.  Let&#8217;s pretend this couple [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-12950</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compound interest can be effective, but it does depend on so many variables, e.g. the rate of inflation, interest rates, the amount saved and over how long. Unfortunately the answer is never black and white. I teach compound interest to young adults and use this compound interest calculator as a base http://www.inspiredtosave.com . It’s useful as it has a selection of interest and inflation rates and calculates how much interest you earn on one million dollars, based on these variables. However, the downside of the site is that it focusses on long term compound interest – some of the kids find it hard to visualise so far in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compound interest can be effective, but it does depend on so many variables, e.g. the rate of inflation, interest rates, the amount saved and over how long. Unfortunately the answer is never black and white. I teach compound interest to young adults and use this compound interest calculator as a base <a href="http://www.inspiredtosave.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.inspiredtosave.com</a> . It’s useful as it has a selection of interest and inflation rates and calculates how much interest you earn on one million dollars, based on these variables. However, the downside of the site is that it focusses on long term compound interest – some of the kids find it hard to visualise so far in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Friday Finance Followers &#8211; Back at it Edition &#124; Suburban Dollar</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-6364</link>
		<dc:creator>Friday Finance Followers &#8211; Back at it Edition &#124; Suburban Dollar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] explains when compound interest &#8220;Kicks in&#8221;. Compound interest is a powerful beast used both in our favor and against. Matt does a good job of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] explains when compound interest &#8220;Kicks in&#8221;. Compound interest is a powerful beast used both in our favor and against. Matt does a good job of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jabs</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-6357</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 02:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is not the same thing, but since you asked... and it is a very pertinent personal finance topic, I will answer it in a new article tomorrow morning!

Keep an eye out for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is not the same thing, but since you asked&#8230; and it is a very pertinent personal finance topic, I will answer it in a new article tomorrow morning!</p>
<p>Keep an eye out for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-6354</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if this is the same thing, but last night I was discussing with my friend about buying furniture at Rooms To Go.  They are always advertising this amazing no interest, no payment deals and I am in the market for something for my dining room.  She mentioned to me that as long as I paid off the furniture before the alloted time, it was a great deal.  However, if I had any balance left after the advertised period,  not only would I be charged interest on the remaining balance but on the full price of the furniture.  Of course, I would make monthly payments to ensure I didn&#039;t pay any interest, but it made me think that I needed to be careful on the amount I spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if this is the same thing, but last night I was discussing with my friend about buying furniture at Rooms To Go.  They are always advertising this amazing no interest, no payment deals and I am in the market for something for my dining room.  She mentioned to me that as long as I paid off the furniture before the alloted time, it was a great deal.  However, if I had any balance left after the advertised period,  not only would I be charged interest on the remaining balance but on the full price of the furniture.  Of course, I would make monthly payments to ensure I didn&#8217;t pay any interest, but it made me think that I needed to be careful on the amount I spent.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Espe</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-6320</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Espe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.soundmindinvesting.com/visitor/2010/jan/level2.htm

Regarding inflation and savings: the article above points out that while savings interest rates are at an all time low, so for the moment is inflation, meaning that we actually are seeing real returns on savings for once.

However, seeing that inflation usually averages 3%, that means our currency loses half its value every 18 years.  Bemoaning this fact doesn&#039;t help anyone, in fact it is the strongest argument for stock investing.  While returns may not always look great, growth is the only way to preserve savings against inevitable decline, and there has never been a 30 year period where the stock market returned less than 8%.  That being said, investor error can cause you to get a lower rate of return which is why Matt correctly recommends index funds for people who don&#039;t consider themselves investors.</description>
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<p>Regarding inflation and savings: the article above points out that while savings interest rates are at an all time low, so for the moment is inflation, meaning that we actually are seeing real returns on savings for once.</p>
<p>However, seeing that inflation usually averages 3%, that means our currency loses half its value every 18 years.  Bemoaning this fact doesn&#8217;t help anyone, in fact it is the strongest argument for stock investing.  While returns may not always look great, growth is the only way to preserve savings against inevitable decline, and there has never been a 30 year period where the stock market returned less than 8%.  That being said, investor error can cause you to get a lower rate of return which is why Matt correctly recommends index funds for people who don&#8217;t consider themselves investors.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jabs</title>
		<link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/compound-interest-savings/#comment-6314</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@LeanLifeCoach:  you got it! Focusing on minutia often causes one to miss the point.

@Mrs. Money:  patience my dear... markets go up &amp; markets go down, but it is the average with which we need to concern ourselves.  :-)

Also, what is your rate of return of your retirement accounts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LeanLifeCoach:  you got it! Focusing on minutia often causes one to miss the point.</p>
<p>@Mrs. Money:  patience my dear&#8230; markets go up &#038; markets go down, but it is the average with which we need to concern ourselves.  <img src='http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, what is your rate of return of your retirement accounts?</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day I figured out how much interest I had been earning when ING was paying 5% and then I saw how much I&#039;m currently earning.  It was totally depressing! :(  Compounding interest is great when you&#039;re making the money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day I figured out how much interest I had been earning when ING was paying 5% and then I saw how much I&#8217;m currently earning.  It was totally depressing! <img src='http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   Compounding interest is great when you&#8217;re making the money!</p>
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		<title>By: LeanLifeCoach</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeanLifeCoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt:
Using averages and statistics can always be picked apart. The important thing however is whether or not someone gets the concept from the examples provided. Great job on getting the concept across. 

The impact of inflation, the differences between real and hypothetical etc... are all subjects for future posts!

Keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt:<br />
Using averages and statistics can always be picked apart. The important thing however is whether or not someone gets the concept from the examples provided. Great job on getting the concept across. </p>
<p>The impact of inflation, the differences between real and hypothetical etc&#8230; are all subjects for future posts!</p>
<p>Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point GN and I suppose I should have touched on this in the article.

In the entirely hypothetical numbers used in the examples, I am assuming a 3% inflation rate making your &quot;real rate of return&quot; somewhere around 4.5% after inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point GN and I suppose I should have touched on this in the article.</p>
<p>In the entirely hypothetical numbers used in the examples, I am assuming a 3% inflation rate making your &#8220;real rate of return&#8221; somewhere around 4.5% after inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;m picking up what you are putting down.

You raise a valid point - you won&#039;t get 7.5% interest per se - but 7.5% compound growth isn&#039;t terribly unlikely on your total portfolio IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m picking up what you are putting down.</p>
<p>You raise a valid point &#8211; you won&#8217;t get 7.5% interest per se &#8211; but 7.5% compound growth isn&#8217;t terribly unlikely on your total portfolio IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: gn</title>
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		<dc:creator>gn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoy your blog. Having a nest egg that grows faster than you are adding to it via savings is a nice feeling.

Lost the in the discussion of the beauty of compounding in savings accounts is the ugiless that inflation rates &quot;compound&quot; also. The value of the money in the account at the end needs to be discounted by the average inflation rate, COMPOUNDED over the time you are looking at. Whenever I see one of the beautiful charts showing the growth of X at Y% per year for Z years, I wish they would discount it using real (not reported) inflation rates to show that, after taxes, it can be a struggle just to break even on a real basis. Dont forget that you pay taxes on nominal gains, not real gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoy your blog. Having a nest egg that grows faster than you are adding to it via savings is a nice feeling.</p>
<p>Lost the in the discussion of the beauty of compounding in savings accounts is the ugiless that inflation rates &#8220;compound&#8221; also. The value of the money in the account at the end needs to be discounted by the average inflation rate, COMPOUNDED over the time you are looking at. Whenever I see one of the beautiful charts showing the growth of X at Y% per year for Z years, I wish they would discount it using real (not reported) inflation rates to show that, after taxes, it can be a struggle just to break even on a real basis. Dont forget that you pay taxes on nominal gains, not real gains.</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt -- compound interest doesn&#039;t really apply to retirement accounts (in this sense), unless you are talking about re-investing dividends or something similar that is throwing off income (like bonds).

Stock investments are IMHO too volatile to give an accurate yearly ROR -- you&#039;ll get a different number for the ROR for every period you choose.  For example, we have a negative annual ROR for the S&amp;P 500 over the past 10-years, and there is no guarantee you will even get a positive ROR _ever_.

I, like Daniel, read this as savings accounts, not investment/retirement accounts because that is where compounding makes sense (at least to me), because the rates are always positive, and most of the time are known up-front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8212; compound interest doesn&#8217;t really apply to retirement accounts (in this sense), unless you are talking about re-investing dividends or something similar that is throwing off income (like bonds).</p>
<p>Stock investments are IMHO too volatile to give an accurate yearly ROR &#8212; you&#8217;ll get a different number for the ROR for every period you choose.  For example, we have a negative annual ROR for the S&amp;P 500 over the past 10-years, and there is no guarantee you will even get a positive ROR _ever_.</p>
<p>I, like Daniel, read this as savings accounts, not investment/retirement accounts because that is where compounding makes sense (at least to me), because the rates are always positive, and most of the time are known up-front.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am referring to rate of return on retirement accounts, not interest rates on liquid savings accounts.  I must have somehow failed to make that clear.  I read back over the article but am unsure what part of the article can I update to better reflect my true intent.  Some help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am referring to rate of return on retirement accounts, not interest rates on liquid savings accounts.  I must have somehow failed to make that clear.  I read back over the article but am unsure what part of the article can I update to better reflect my true intent.  Some help?</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt -- heh thanks!

The trick with paying off debt early, is that you don&#039;t get a statement in the mail every month showing you the savings.  I&#039;ve paid off (early) a credit card, student loan, a car, and am now working on the second mortgage.  Had I not paid those debts off early, I would still have all of those bills today.

I&#039;d need to get the old papers, but I estimate that I&#039;m &quot;saving&quot; about $600 a month in interest payments, because those debts are now gone.  I&#039;m also &#039;compounding&#039; those savings, by using them to pay down the next debt in the snowball -- so &#039;compound interest&#039; works the same for paying debt off early as it does for savings accounts.  Actually it works better because debt rates are much higher than savings account rates -- so it makes sense to get the best rate for your dollar and pay down the debt.

My current loss in interest to banks is $550 a month now, and every month the number gets lower and lower -- eventually the banks will be paying me (about 4 years from now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8212; heh thanks!</p>
<p>The trick with paying off debt early, is that you don&#8217;t get a statement in the mail every month showing you the savings.  I&#8217;ve paid off (early) a credit card, student loan, a car, and am now working on the second mortgage.  Had I not paid those debts off early, I would still have all of those bills today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d need to get the old papers, but I estimate that I&#8217;m &#8220;saving&#8221; about $600 a month in interest payments, because those debts are now gone.  I&#8217;m also &#8216;compounding&#8217; those savings, by using them to pay down the next debt in the snowball &#8212; so &#8216;compound interest&#8217; works the same for paying debt off early as it does for savings accounts.  Actually it works better because debt rates are much higher than savings account rates &#8212; so it makes sense to get the best rate for your dollar and pay down the debt.</p>
<p>My current loss in interest to banks is $550 a month now, and every month the number gets lower and lower &#8212; eventually the banks will be paying me (about 4 years from now).</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel: saving $6k a year for 10-years while earning 7.5% interest will total $91,248.71 in 10 years.  It will take, technically, about 10 years and 7 months to hit $100k -- so it&#039;s close enough for illustrative purposes.

Good point on the 7.5% savings rates -- they are non-existent.  But, if you have a 7.5% loan, then paying $6k a year extra on it will net you the same savings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel: saving $6k a year for 10-years while earning 7.5% interest will total $91,248.71 in 10 years.  It will take, technically, about 10 years and 7 months to hit $100k &#8212; so it&#8217;s close enough for illustrative purposes.</p>
<p>Good point on the 7.5% savings rates &#8212; they are non-existent.  But, if you have a 7.5% loan, then paying $6k a year extra on it will net you the same savings.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Jabs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I love BG... he&#039;s always urging people to pay off debt!  Gotta love it.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I love BG&#8230; he&#8217;s always urging people to pay off debt!  Gotta love it.  <img src='http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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