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> <channel><title>Comments on: Credit Card Rewards &#8211; Rethink Your Returns</title> <atom:link href="http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/</link> <description>Debt Credit &#38; Personal Finance &#124; Bible Help</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:09:05 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Kevin@OutOfYourRut</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4319</link> <dc:creator>Kevin@OutOfYourRut</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:03:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4319</guid> <description>Joe--I see your point.  But my comments are directed at the more typical person.You might benefit from using credit cards because you really don&#039;t need them, but that isn&#039;t the average person.  Many people have become credit card junkies because that&#039;s essentially what the card issuers are going for.  Buy now, pay later.  Easy monthly payments.  Periodic increased credit limits.  Skip a payment.  Zero interest for six months on balance transfers.  OK, so the last three are practically history now, but I think you get my point.The idea of paying by credit card-for what ever purpose-is a contradiction in terms if the point is to gain greater control over your finances.  The credit card system is set up to facilitate sales and earn money for the lenders, not as a money management tool for the borrower.If you pay by cash, check or debit card, there&#039;s far less chance of a debt overhang than there is with credit cards.
.-= Kevin@OutOfYourRut´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/11/16/ten-ways-to-be-more-productive-in-business-and-on-the-job/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ten Ways to be More Productive in Business and on the Job&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe&#8211;I see your point.  But my comments are directed at the more typical person.</p><p>You might benefit from using credit cards because you really don&#8217;t need them, but that isn&#8217;t the average person.  Many people have become credit card junkies because that&#8217;s essentially what the card issuers are going for.  Buy now, pay later.  Easy monthly payments.  Periodic increased credit limits.  Skip a payment.  Zero interest for six months on balance transfers.  OK, so the last three are practically history now, but I think you get my point.</p><p>The idea of paying by credit card-for what ever purpose-is a contradiction in terms if the point is to gain greater control over your finances.  The credit card system is set up to facilitate sales and earn money for the lenders, not as a money management tool for the borrower.</p><p>If you pay by cash, check or debit card, there&#8217;s far less chance of a debt overhang than there is with credit cards.<br
/> .-= Kevin@OutOfYourRut´s last blog ..<a
href="http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/11/16/ten-ways-to-be-more-productive-in-business-and-on-the-job/" rel="nofollow">Ten Ways to be More Productive in Business and on the Job</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: H Lee D</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4317</link> <dc:creator>H Lee D</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:19:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4317</guid> <description>I don&#039;t think the point was either that no one can feel like they benefit, or the risk/reward ratio.  Credit card companies charge huge fees to merchants in order for those merchants to be able to accept your card.  Those fees, in turn, cause the prices of everything to be higher - so merchants can still make profits - and so even with a rewards card that you pay in full, you are gaining less in rewards than you would save in the cost of your merchandise if the costs weren&#039;t raised to cover the credit card companies&#039; fees.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the point was either that no one can feel like they benefit, or the risk/reward ratio.  Credit card companies charge huge fees to merchants in order for those merchants to be able to accept your card.  Those fees, in turn, cause the prices of everything to be higher &#8211; so merchants can still make profits &#8211; and so even with a rewards card that you pay in full, you are gaining less in rewards than you would save in the cost of your merchandise if the costs weren&#8217;t raised to cover the credit card companies&#8217; fees.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JoeTaxpayer</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4314</link> <dc:creator>JoeTaxpayer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:01:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4314</guid> <description>Kevin (or any other anti-card ppl)-
May I ask this? Do you all feel that no one can benefit from using a credit card, or simply that for most people the risk is greater than the reward?
Since I&#039;ve not paid any interest on my cards, and never a late fee, my only &#039;cost&#039; is the potential to spend more, right? Now, ironically, there are articles floating around that as many as 10% of people &#039;save too much.&#039; If my savings is in order, 20%+ is high enough to have too much at retirement, then it would seem I have no desire to spend even less. Why would I attribute motive in the case of this business relationship? They get their cut from the merchant, I get whatever reward that card gives me. You can say they are betting I&#039;ll screw up. 25 years of not paying interest tells me otherwise.
.-= JoeTaxpayer´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Joetaxpayer/~3/yg7xP9lQqUc/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This Week’s PF Blogger Roundup&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin (or any other anti-card ppl)-<br
/> May I ask this? Do you all feel that no one can benefit from using a credit card, or simply that for most people the risk is greater than the reward?<br
/> Since I&#8217;ve not paid any interest on my cards, and never a late fee, my only &#8216;cost&#8217; is the potential to spend more, right? Now, ironically, there are articles floating around that as many as 10% of people &#8217;save too much.&#8217; If my savings is in order, 20%+ is high enough to have too much at retirement, then it would seem I have no desire to spend even less. Why would I attribute motive in the case of this business relationship? They get their cut from the merchant, I get whatever reward that card gives me. You can say they are betting I&#8217;ll screw up. 25 years of not paying interest tells me otherwise.<br
/> .-= JoeTaxpayer´s last blog ..<a
href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Joetaxpayer/~3/yg7xP9lQqUc/" rel="nofollow">This Week’s PF Blogger Roundup</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin@OutOfYourRut</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4313</link> <dc:creator>Kevin@OutOfYourRut</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:47:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4313</guid> <description>Matt, I completely agree with your take on the rewards programs.  People forget that the whole purpose of rewards programs is to get you to spend more money (in order to increase the reward).  No program can save you money if it&#039;s aim is to make you spend more than you normally would--which is the basic purpose of credit cards in the first place.After the great credit boom of the past 2-3 decades, people have been twisted into believing that credit cards are some sort of money management tool for the customers benefit. Nothing could be further from the truth.  They&#039;re to facilitate our buying things (that we often can&#039;t afford) and so that the banks can collect fees on both sides of the transaction for extending us the priviledge.This post looks like it was exhaustive to write but it&#039;s right on the money.  Well done!
.-= Kevin@OutOfYourRut´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/11/16/ten-ways-to-be-more-productive-in-business-and-on-the-job/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ten Ways to be More Productive in Business and on the Job&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I completely agree with your take on the rewards programs.  People forget that the whole purpose of rewards programs is to get you to spend more money (in order to increase the reward).  No program can save you money if it&#8217;s aim is to make you spend more than you normally would&#8211;which is the basic purpose of credit cards in the first place.</p><p>After the great credit boom of the past 2-3 decades, people have been twisted into believing that credit cards are some sort of money management tool for the customers benefit. Nothing could be further from the truth.  They&#8217;re to facilitate our buying things (that we often can&#8217;t afford) and so that the banks can collect fees on both sides of the transaction for extending us the priviledge.</p><p>This post looks like it was exhaustive to write but it&#8217;s right on the money.  Well done!<br
/> .-= Kevin@OutOfYourRut´s last blog ..<a
href="http://outofyourrut.com/blog/2009/11/16/ten-ways-to-be-more-productive-in-business-and-on-the-job/" rel="nofollow">Ten Ways to be More Productive in Business and on the Job</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Are Credit Card Companies Ethical? Is Any Business Ethical? &#124; Ask Mr Credit Card's Blog</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4267</link> <dc:creator>Are Credit Card Companies Ethical? Is Any Business Ethical? &#124; Ask Mr Credit Card's Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:36:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4267</guid> <description>[...] a post on how unethical credit card companies are. Even my good friend Matt Jabs is asking folks not to get cards just for rewards because the merchant fees actually make all goods more expensive to the tune of maybe say [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a post on how unethical credit card companies are. Even my good friend Matt Jabs is asking folks not to get cards just for rewards because the merchant fees actually make all goods more expensive to the tune of maybe say [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: In Defense Of Credit Cards.</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4252</link> <dc:creator>In Defense Of Credit Cards.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:16:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4252</guid> <description>[...] wrote a post titled, Credit Card Rewards - Rethink Your Returns, that was an equally well reasoned post on why people should not use credit cards. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote a post titled, Credit Card Rewards &#8211; Rethink Your Returns, that was an equally well reasoned post on why people should not use credit cards. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Jabs</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4237</link> <dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:01:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4237</guid> <description>Thanks John:  I understand the logic, I just hold a philosophy that approaches the issue from a different perspective.To elaborate:All any of us can do is change everything we dispise &lt;strong&gt;at ground zero... ourselves&lt;/strong&gt;.  If all of us do this it effects global change.  More importantly it effects change in our country, state, community, church, and family.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks John:  I understand the logic, I just hold a philosophy that approaches the issue from a different perspective.</p><p>To elaborate:</p><p>All any of us can do is change everything we dispise <strong>at ground zero&#8230; ourselves</strong>.  If all of us do this it effects global change.  More importantly it effects change in our country, state, community, church, and family.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4232</link> <dc:creator>John</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:58:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4232</guid> <description>@Matt Jabs - Typically I am an optimistic person.  When it comes to solving many social justice and human rights issues, I know I can in fact make a difference.It&#039;s when it comes to business that, in reality, my position will likely not have an effect.  I tend to look at this as a realistic point of view, rather than pessimistic or apathetic.  It&#039;s a problem with greedy, irresponsible, and uninformed people that creates a credit mess.  For as long as we&#039;ve been on this earth, these three types of people have been with us.  Unfortunately, they make the world a harder place for many of us to live in.  But I can&#039;t change their hearts.  They will do as they please.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt Jabs &#8211; Typically I am an optimistic person.  When it comes to solving many social justice and human rights issues, I know I can in fact make a difference.</p><p>It&#8217;s when it comes to business that, in reality, my position will likely not have an effect.  I tend to look at this as a realistic point of view, rather than pessimistic or apathetic.  It&#8217;s a problem with greedy, irresponsible, and uninformed people that creates a credit mess.  For as long as we&#8217;ve been on this earth, these three types of people have been with us.  Unfortunately, they make the world a harder place for many of us to live in.  But I can&#8217;t change their hearts.  They will do as they please.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Jabs</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4223</link> <dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:36:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4223</guid> <description>&quot;On a global level, I alone can make no difference.&quot;It&#039;s too bad that so many people think this way.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On a global level, I alone can make no difference.&#8221;</p><p>It&#8217;s too bad that so many people think this way.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4216</link> <dc:creator>John</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:15:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4216</guid> <description>I am one of the lucky few people that has a rewards card with no annual fees whatsoever.  I also don&#039;t carry a balance from month to month, so I don&#039;t pay any interest.My bank, USAA, actually requires me to have a credit card for a very understandable reason.  It&#039;s branchless banking.  I don&#039;t take my checks to the bank to make a deposit.  I simply scan them in on my home computer, or use my iPhone to deposit them.  As you can tell, there is a high risk of fraud here since the money is available immediately. I&#039;m definitely okay with having this card (which is my only card) for the convenience of scanning my own checks and having the money available with no wait.  The credit card gives them the opportunity to charge your card if you deposit a bad check and spend the money right away.The rewards program is amazing.  My wife and I will be able to travel nearly anywhere in the world by our 5th anniversary because of our rewards points.Unless I can find millions upon millions of people that are willing to join me in overthrowing the credit industry, I will continue to use credit cards responsibly.  Like prescription drugs, only people that abuse it will be negatively affected by it on a personal level.  On a global level, I alone can make no difference.My rewards program is truly free money, since I am subject to the increase in product cost whether I use credit or not.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the lucky few people that has a rewards card with no annual fees whatsoever.  I also don&#8217;t carry a balance from month to month, so I don&#8217;t pay any interest.</p><p>My bank, USAA, actually requires me to have a credit card for a very understandable reason.  It&#8217;s branchless banking.  I don&#8217;t take my checks to the bank to make a deposit.  I simply scan them in on my home computer, or use my iPhone to deposit them.  As you can tell, there is a high risk of fraud here since the money is available immediately. I&#8217;m definitely okay with having this card (which is my only card) for the convenience of scanning my own checks and having the money available with no wait.  The credit card gives them the opportunity to charge your card if you deposit a bad check and spend the money right away.</p><p>The rewards program is amazing.  My wife and I will be able to travel nearly anywhere in the world by our 5th anniversary because of our rewards points.</p><p>Unless I can find millions upon millions of people that are willing to join me in overthrowing the credit industry, I will continue to use credit cards responsibly.  Like prescription drugs, only people that abuse it will be negatively affected by it on a personal level.  On a global level, I alone can make no difference.</p><p>My rewards program is truly free money, since I am subject to the increase in product cost whether I use credit or not.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: No, I&#8217;m Not Cutting Up My Credit Cards! (Maybe You Shouldn&#8217;t Either.)</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-4131</link> <dc:creator>No, I&#8217;m Not Cutting Up My Credit Cards! (Maybe You Shouldn&#8217;t Either.)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:21:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-4131</guid> <description>[...] A couple of weeks ago Matt specifically asked those of us who take advantage of credit card rewards programs to rethink our returns and join him in cutting up our plastic in a post he entitled Credit Card Rewards &#8211; Rethink Your Returns. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A couple of weeks ago Matt specifically asked those of us who take advantage of credit card rewards programs to rethink our returns and join him in cutting up our plastic in a post he entitled Credit Card Rewards &#8211; Rethink Your Returns. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Credit Card Hide and Seek &#124; Debt Free Adventure!</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-3426</link> <dc:creator>Credit Card Hide and Seek &#124; Debt Free Adventure!</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:22:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-3426</guid> <description>[...] that was our plan.  The card was a new credit card from our new local credit union.  It was a rewards card that paid 2% cash [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that was our plan.  The card was a new credit card from our new local credit union.  It was a rewards card that paid 2% cash [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt SF</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-3385</link> <dc:creator>Matt SF</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-3385</guid> <description>Well said Matt Jabs! Republicans and Democrats are nothing but a white collar version of the Bloods and Crips.
.-= Matt SF´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SteadfastFinances/~3/4gXnuakGF2c/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Great Unwind: Frugality, DeLeveraging, &amp; Ethics Altering the Post-Crisis Consumer&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Matt Jabs! Republicans and Democrats are nothing but a white collar version of the Bloods and Crips.<br
/> .-= Matt SF´s last blog ..<a
href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SteadfastFinances/~3/4gXnuakGF2c/" rel="nofollow">The Great Unwind: Frugality, DeLeveraging, &amp; Ethics Altering the Post-Crisis Consumer</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Jabs</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-3384</link> <dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:40:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-3384</guid> <description>Very well put Sarah... I&#039;m not sure I disagree with a whole lot of what you said, and would actually like to expand on one point.GOP was mentioned - I would like to say a few things about that.I am affiliated with neither party and am aware that the entire Republican/Democrat &quot;two-party&quot; debate is utter hogwash.  It is nothing more than a distraction to keep the American people occupied while the important issues continue to occur seamlessly, regardless of party, and with no media coverage.To prove the point... Dems have not reversed any of the financial industry changes the Rep party made while Bush was in power.  Quite the contrary, they have expanded upon the mistakes.&lt;strong&gt;I am neither Republican or Democrat.&lt;/strong&gt;  I am American, and both parties are full of stink and their corruption is as rottenness in the bones of our &quot;Republic.&quot;Thank you for your great and thoughtful comments.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put Sarah&#8230; I&#8217;m not sure I disagree with a whole lot of what you said, and would actually like to expand on one point.</p><p>GOP was mentioned &#8211; I would like to say a few things about that.</p><p>I am affiliated with neither party and am aware that the entire Republican/Democrat &#8220;two-party&#8221; debate is utter hogwash.  It is nothing more than a distraction to keep the American people occupied while the important issues continue to occur seamlessly, regardless of party, and with no media coverage.</p><p>To prove the point&#8230; Dems have not reversed any of the financial industry changes the Rep party made while Bush was in power.  Quite the contrary, they have expanded upon the mistakes.</p><p><strong>I am neither Republican or Democrat.</strong> I am American, and both parties are full of stink and their corruption is as rottenness in the bones of our &#8220;Republic.&#8221;</p><p>Thank you for your great and thoughtful comments.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Jabs</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-3383</link> <dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:29:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-3383</guid> <description>Great point Jeff... especially for students, the cards can be such a tempting tool of instant gratification that end up leaving a REALLY bad taste in your mouth - as you have found.I&#039;m glad you recognized it early and are turning things back around.  Nice work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point Jeff&#8230; especially for students, the cards can be such a tempting tool of instant gratification that end up leaving a REALLY bad taste in your mouth &#8211; as you have found.</p><p>I&#8217;m glad you recognized it early and are turning things back around.  Nice work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Home Finance Tip Blog &#187; Emily&#8217;s list: iPod birthday edition</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-3151</link> <dc:creator>Home Finance Tip Blog &#187; Emily&#8217;s list: iPod birthday edition</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:24:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-3151</guid> <description>[...] 6. Debt Free Adventure asks readers to rethink credit card rewards. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 6. Debt Free Adventure asks readers to rethink credit card rewards. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Jabs</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-3113</link> <dc:creator>Matt Jabs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:00:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-3113</guid> <description>Incredible Story Jen, thank you very much for sharing your experience.I only wish these types of stories received the same type of exposure as the credit card commercials do!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible Story Jen, thank you very much for sharing your experience.</p><p>I only wish these types of stories received the same type of exposure as the credit card commercials do!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jen</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-3108</link> <dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:40:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-3108</guid> <description>I am definitely in the avoid category. In the travel industry, when we take a credit card it is processed by the travel provider.  About 25% of my extended business is other travel related products.  I use payal for the infrequent credit card purchase because of the increase in fees.  The banks prey on anyone, businesses are not exempt.When I signed up for the card machine, it was free registration/credit check.  The monthy fee was $25 and they took 2.5% of the total sales price under $1,000.  Over a three yer period they added an annual $120 fee, plus a monthly fee of $60, plus the swipe rental for a another $40 a month and they started taking 5% off the total sale.  In addition, if I wanted a paper statment rather than an e-statement - they charged a $15 courtesy fee.From a personal standpoint, I have had an ongoing dispute with unauthorized insurance premiums added to a charge account.  The bank mouthed off, so I paid in full and closed the account.  Long story short here, the bank allowed additional unauthorized charges to be added to a closed/paid in full account then hit with predatory fees.  Elizabeth Warren would have a field day with my paperwork on this because to date over 33 months, the bank has violated TILA for a total of 234 counts.The banks count on people either not having the knowledge to fight them, or the time.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am definitely in the avoid category. In the travel industry, when we take a credit card it is processed by the travel provider.  About 25% of my extended business is other travel related products.  I use payal for the infrequent credit card purchase because of the increase in fees.  The banks prey on anyone, businesses are not exempt.</p><p>When I signed up for the card machine, it was free registration/credit check.  The monthy fee was $25 and they took 2.5% of the total sales price under $1,000.  Over a three yer period they added an annual $120 fee, plus a monthly fee of $60, plus the swipe rental for a another $40 a month and they started taking 5% off the total sale.  In addition, if I wanted a paper statment rather than an e-statement &#8211; they charged a $15 courtesy fee.</p><p>From a personal standpoint, I have had an ongoing dispute with unauthorized insurance premiums added to a charge account.  The bank mouthed off, so I paid in full and closed the account.  Long story short here, the bank allowed additional unauthorized charges to be added to a closed/paid in full account then hit with predatory fees.  Elizabeth Warren would have a field day with my paperwork on this because to date over 33 months, the bank has violated TILA for a total of 234 counts.</p><p>The banks count on people either not having the knowledge to fight them, or the time.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Erik</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-3093</link> <dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:13:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-3093</guid> <description>Most people don&#039;t even redeem their credit card rewards.  There&#039;s a reason credit card companies offer them.  It causes people to use their credit cards more, and they don&#039;t spend much money to give out the rewards.  They only help the credit card companies, not the consumer.
.-= Erik´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moneycrashers.com/new-theme-and-twitter-account/?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=new-theme-and-twitter-account&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Theme And Twitter Account&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people don&#8217;t even redeem their credit card rewards.  There&#8217;s a reason credit card companies offer them.  It causes people to use their credit cards more, and they don&#8217;t spend much money to give out the rewards.  They only help the credit card companies, not the consumer.<br
/> .-= Erik´s last blog ..<a
href="http://www.moneycrashers.com/new-theme-and-twitter-account/?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=new-theme-and-twitter-account" rel="nofollow">New Theme And Twitter Account</a> =-.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sarah</title><link>http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/credit-card-rewards-rethink-your-returns/#comment-2938</link> <dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:58:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debtfreeadventure.com/?p=2717#comment-2938</guid> <description>Everyone agrees with you, and I don&#039;t know much about economics, beyond balancing my check book.It seems to me, that if Americans could pay their bills, the recession would not have happened.  Period.The ``Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of  2005,&#039;&#039; passed into law as Public Law 109-8: Seehttp://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&amp;docid=f:publ008.109While, in an abstract way, freeloaders SHOULD be stopped from leaching on our system, this law disregarded a 2001 study of the American Journal of Medicine that showed that in the 5 states that participated, medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies.This number grew even worse in the six following years: &quot;Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income.&quot;Both of these statistics are from the American Journal of Medicine web site, http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343%2809%2900404-5/abstractIn short, the bankruptcies I cited above were not caused by irresponsible credit abusers, for these people, the choice was either Bankruptcy or Die.  The premise of this new law was flawed from the very beginning.What this law actually tried to accomplish, was lowering the amount of risk for a given loan, because most borrowers couldn&#039;t escape.  They would become the equivalent of 21st century share croppers, working for the banks to be allowed to live on a piece of land.In my humble opinion, THIS is the point where the sub-prime lending increased exponentially.This is the point, where the moose lost their natural protection, and the wolves gorged themselves on the less fit until their food supply could no longer maintain them.  By either natural selection, or Adam Smith&#039;s laissez faire ideals that the GOP has espoused for years, the banks that were in trouble should have been allowed to fail.  Whatever system emerged to fill their niche would have been stronger and been a more responsible part of our common economy.I suspect that you, and every other reader of this blog, is one of the financially fit who are coming through this economic mess with nothing worse than a few scars on your portfolio, and I salute you all.I don&#039;t want to start an argument with you, or anyone else.  My goal in this comment is simply to explain my opinion.  Every single expert on the subject agrees with you, and would consider me daft.  However, I honestly expect that the text books our children will read when they grow up and go to college (the ones who can afford it) will support, to some extent, my point of view.As to &quot;predatory lenders,&quot; reread my observation above about those &quot;0% interest&quot; checks against my Visa account that Chase bank was nice enough to send me LAST WEEK.  Their choice in applying my payments to the 0% portion of my statement, while allowing high interest to accumulate on any other charges to grow, combined with the &quot;finance fee&quot; on top of this, makes their offer very very close to being a flat-out lie.The banks are still predators, and we are still their food, and without government protections, our next &quot;Great Recession&quot; is already beginning to form.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone agrees with you, and I don&#8217;t know much about economics, beyond balancing my check book.</p><p>It seems to me, that if Americans could pay their bills, the recession would not have happened.  Period.</p><p>The &#8220;Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of  2005,&#8221; passed into law as Public Law 109-8: See</p><p><a
href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&amp;docid=f:publ008.109" rel="nofollow">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_public_laws&amp;docid=f:publ008.109</a></p><p>While, in an abstract way, freeloaders SHOULD be stopped from leaching on our system, this law disregarded a 2001 study of the American Journal of Medicine that showed that in the 5 states that participated, medical problems contributed to at least 46.2% of all bankruptcies.</p><p>This number grew even worse in the six following years: &#8220;Using a conservative definition, 62.1% of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92% of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5000, or 10% of pretax family income.&#8221;</p><p>Both of these statistics are from the American Journal of Medicine web site, <a
href="http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343%2809%2900404-5/abstract" rel="nofollow">http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343%2809%2900404-5/abstract</a></p><p>In short, the bankruptcies I cited above were not caused by irresponsible credit abusers, for these people, the choice was either Bankruptcy or Die.  The premise of this new law was flawed from the very beginning.</p><p>What this law actually tried to accomplish, was lowering the amount of risk for a given loan, because most borrowers couldn&#8217;t escape.  They would become the equivalent of 21st century share croppers, working for the banks to be allowed to live on a piece of land.</p><p>In my humble opinion, THIS is the point where the sub-prime lending increased exponentially.</p><p>This is the point, where the moose lost their natural protection, and the wolves gorged themselves on the less fit until their food supply could no longer maintain them.  By either natural selection, or Adam Smith&#8217;s laissez faire ideals that the GOP has espoused for years, the banks that were in trouble should have been allowed to fail.  Whatever system emerged to fill their niche would have been stronger and been a more responsible part of our common economy.</p><p>I suspect that you, and every other reader of this blog, is one of the financially fit who are coming through this economic mess with nothing worse than a few scars on your portfolio, and I salute you all.</p><p>I don&#8217;t want to start an argument with you, or anyone else.  My goal in this comment is simply to explain my opinion.  Every single expert on the subject agrees with you, and would consider me daft.  However, I honestly expect that the text books our children will read when they grow up and go to college (the ones who can afford it) will support, to some extent, my point of view.</p><p>As to &#8220;predatory lenders,&#8221; reread my observation above about those &#8220;0% interest&#8221; checks against my Visa account that Chase bank was nice enough to send me LAST WEEK.  Their choice in applying my payments to the 0% portion of my statement, while allowing high interest to accumulate on any other charges to grow, combined with the &#8220;finance fee&#8221; on top of this, makes their offer very very close to being a flat-out lie.</p><p>The banks are still predators, and we are still their food, and without government protections, our next &#8220;Great Recession&#8221; is already beginning to form.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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